Thursday, 24 July 2025

How to Debate the Lost Civilization Hypothesis?


Archaeology with Flint Dibble​: Debate, Can We Disprove the Lost Civilization Hypothesis? with Dr David Miano ‪(@WorldofAntiquity‬). The first part largely focuses on the 'philosophy of science' aspects, before, about 23 minutes in shifting to an interesting discussion on Dibble's strategy of the debate (without mentioning that Hancock had come with none at all).
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Posted on YouTube by Archaeology with Flint Dibble 23.07.2025.
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From the blurb:  

"The Lost Civilization Hypothesis is perhaps the most popular alternative history idea out there today. Is it possible to disprove it with our current state of evidence? Can we ever prove a negative? How open minded should scientists be about popular ideas that lack evidence?"

Hancock: What are we Debating?

@maxinatorborderls 8 hours ago
In my opinion the Graham Hancock debate should have started with Flint asking Graham to very clearly define exactly which claims he makes about his lost civilization. The way Graham plays he is extremely vague in what his hypothesis entails, and once you demonstrate elements to be false he will crawl back into his motte and say that he never claimed that. When you allow him to be so vague, indeed it is impossible to disprove him. I think when you actually pin him down on some claim, then you can definitely disprove it.

For example, I think a claim of a globe-spanning culture can be clearly disproven, while a claim of wide-spread plant cultivation sometime before the younger dryas can be much harder to disprove. We need to know which elements are and are not part of Graham's hypothesis.<
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Monday, 21 July 2025

Recent work on Amazonian Sites

With regard to the Hancockian ideas of potential "Lost Ice Age Civilizations" in the Amazon, it might be worth looking at some reports of the recenyt discoveries that he is using gto leverage these claims. Above all this concerns the earthworks ("geoglyphs") discovered in several regions, in pareticular those found mainly between the Acre and Iquiri rivers in the Brazilian state of Acre, where they were apparently first documented in the 1970s when researcher Ondemar Dias noted several sites in the land of Acre while carrying out his activities for the National Program for Archaeological Research in the Amazon Basin (Pronapaba). In the region there are now known at least 300 groups of such earthworks in areas of interfluves, igarapés springs, and floodplains. There are estimated more than 410 geoglyphs in the state spread over around 300 archaeological site that show that the Amazon floodplains and non-flooded terra firme hinterlands were not completely covered by pristine forests threoughout most of the Hoplocene as originally believed. The sites in Acre (Parsinen et al. 2020 ) all
"seem to belong to the same ceramic tradition, with affiliations to ancient, Western Amazonian Formative styles. Ceramics dating to c. 2000 BP and resembling other widespread Amazonian styles, including Incised-Rim, Polychrome and Corrugate styles, have also been recovered during excavations of sites, such as Severino Calazans and Tequinho (Pärssinen and Ranzi 2020). Calibrated radiocarbon dates indicate that the first Acre earthworks were initiated by c. 2500 BP, with construction continuing until 1000 BP. Some were still in use at the end of the thirteenth century AD and, according to recent radiocarbon dating, were re-used until as recently as the nineteenth century (Saunaluoma et al. 2018)".
Amazonia, or at least part of it, was already occupied by hunter gatherers by the Late Pleistocene period, c. 13 000–10 000 BP, and in the Early Holocene, c. 10 000– 8000 BP including (it is inferred from charcoal evidence) on the Severino Calazans site in eastern Acre, dating to as early as c. 10 000 cal BP It appears that below the known earthwork was a cultural layer that pre-dates it by more than 7000 years [use of the site continued, with some possible intervals, until the earthworks were abandoned]. This represents some of the first evidence for an Early Holocene human presence from the Amazonian upland (terra firme) away from the major river valleys (Parssinen et al. 2020, 1541).

Over large parts of Amazonia, archaeological research over the past quarter of a century has revedaled many areas of the specific Amazonian Dark Earths (terra preta) resulting from ancient Amerindian landscape management practices, both on riverine bluffs as well as in upland terra firme forests near Amazonia’s main riverine routes (Woods and Denevan 2009). These dark earths are anthropogenic, highly fertile soils created by centuries of soil mulching over the otherwise poor Amazonian latosols. These anthropogenic black soils were created by Amerindians using fires to produce pyrogenic carbon, which lowers soil pH and gives stability to soil nutrients and micro-organisms. It is worth looking at the distributions of these site types in the region. The earthworks (revealed by deforestation as well as LIDAR surveys under the forest canopy) occur mostly in the southern regions of Amazonia (Fig 1)
Fig 1 (de Souza et al 2018)

Fig 2 Forest destruction hotspots, 13% irreparably destroyed (Mongabay). This is where the earthwork sites are becoming visible. 



Fig 3, differentiating the record (Walker et al 2023)




 REFERENCES

de Souza, J.G., Schaan, D.P., Robinson, M. et al. Pre-Columbian earth-builders settled along the entire southern rim of the Amazon. Nat Commun 9, 1125 (2018). https://doi.org/10.1038/s41467-018-03510-7

Hodgson Camilla and Campbell Chris 2022, ' Climate graphic of the week: Amazon rainforest loss fuelled by destruction around roads Brazil accounted for more than 40% of global tropical forest loss in 2021', Financial Times May 7 2022

[Pärssinen, M. and A. Ranzi. 2020. Mobilidade cerimonial e a emergência do poder político com as primeiras estradas conhecidas do oeste amazônico (2000 A.P.), in R. Vilaça & R. Simas de Aguiar (ed.) (I) Mobilidades na Pré-história: Pessoas, recursos, objetos, sítios e territórios: 307–49. Coimbra: Coimbra University Press.]

Pärssinen, Martti; Balée, William; Ranzi, Alceu; Barbosa, Antonia (2020). "The geoglyph sites of Acre, Brazil: 10 000-year-old land-use practices and climate change in Amazonia" (PDF). Antiquity. 94 (378): 1538–1556. doi:10.15184/aqy.2020.208.

[Saunaluoma, S., M. Pärssinen and D. Schaan. 2018. Diversity of pre-colonial earthworks in the Brazilian state of Acre, South-western Amazonia. Journal of Field Archaeology 43: 362–79. https://doi.org/10.1080/00934690.2018. 1483686]

Walker RS, Ferguson JR, Olmeda A, Hamilton MJ, Elghammer J, Buchanan B. 2023. Predicting the geographic distribution of ancient Amazonian archaeological sites with machine learning. PeerJ 11:e15137 https://doi.org/10.7717/peerj.15137

[Woods, W., Denevan, W. (2009). Amazonian Dark Earths: The First Century of Reports. In: Woods, W.I., Teixeira, W.G., Lehmann, J., Steiner, C., WinklerPrins, A., Rebellato, L. (eds) Amazonian Dark Earths: Wim Sombroek's Vision. Springer, Dordrecht. https://doi.org/10.1007/978-1-4020-9031-8_1]

Sunday, 20 July 2025

Carl Feagans and the Filipino Winemaker's Anti-Archaeology Article

 

A vision of Sigrid Salucop, from her webpage
Carl Feagans writes on his  'Archaeology Review' blog  of 'An Artificially Intelligent Pseudoarchaeologist?' ( July 16, 2025) addressing her arsine text "How Archaeology's Gatekeepers Hinder Discovery" (HubPages® [Arena Media Brands LLC]) Jul 1, 2025) that Graham Hancock was promoting (because it mentioned him). I have already discussed this here. I concur with Feagans' diagnosis: "Artificial Intelligence Wrote the Article"

Feagans in any case questions whether archaeology in general can be accused of this "gatekeeping": when there are so many public-facing initiatives in so many places. he then goes on to discuss Ms Salocop's idea of what this means  and expands on the topic. He concludes:

"I get that those who believe in fringe and fantastic archaeology feel left out or marginalized by real archaeology. And, for the most part, I’m all about including these people if they truly want to learn. If they’re truly willing to hear what I have to say. I’ll even listen to what they have to say. But I see no reason to include Hancock. He’s been given many chances to sit at the table yet he shits on archaeology as a profession and archaeologists as professionals. I personally know more than one archaeologist who has tried to be cordial with him only to find out this isn’t what Hancock wants. His grift depends on conflict and making his customers think he’s being oppressed.

Sunday, 13 July 2025

Jimmy Corsetti and Hobo Dan Apparently CANNOT READ


The body language says it all, Gorsetti
 is an uncouth insufferable boor 

One would have thought that a US "researcher" investigating (sic) "lost mysteries of the past" would at least try to keep a little abreast of the basic historical outline... On the deliberately-provocative scandal-profiteering podcast "Piers_Morgan uncensored", Jimmy Gorsetti speaks unbelievably disrespectfully (and with a total lack of understanding about inter-cultural norms) to a brown-skinned Egyptologist, INFORMING him:
after the pyramid's construction, there was three other changes of kingdom within Egypt. Old kingdom, Middle Kingdom, New Kingdom, and between them are missing chapters of human history within Egypt. For example, between the Old Kingdom and the Middle Kingdom is approximately 126 years of completely missing history. It's conjecture. We think that it may have been a revolt within Egypt, a civil war, but something happened to completely overthrow the Fourth Dynasty going into the Fifth Dynasty. And then between the Middle Kingdom and the New Kingdom is approximately 186 years of missing history. So the point that I'm making is that within each of those two chapters of missing history, that's longer than any human lifespan. It's multiple generations whch means that nobody was alive afterwards to say what was happening before. We have absolutely no idea how the pyramids were constructed, how or even precisely when.
Actually Gorsetti, almost every one of your "Usborne Children's Guide to Ancient Egypt" factoids is wrong or misremembered (the leather-bound volumes behind you are clearly as fake as your understanding of ancient history). And you have the impertinence to address anyone like that. If you were talking like that to me and the La-di-da-stuck-up-English moderator refused to react, I'd do more than just lose my temper with you as Hawass did, provoked by your impudence... Didn't your parents teach you any manners?

Another of Morgan's anti-Hawass guests, Dan Richards announces that he is graciously giving the brown-skinned Egyptologist an opportunity to "vindicate himself" (having already accused him of ignorannce). He gives him, as he put it, a second chance. I am not surprised that Dr Hawass brushed him off and refused to discuss anything with the supercillious bearded weirdo he was confronted with with his total lack of manners and trailer-park mannerisms. And as he says, Richards jumped in with this question in the middle of another discussion and his gottcha has absolutely NOTHING to do with the topic under discussion! Richards seems unaware of the copious literature on slavery in the ancient world. No surprise there.

Disgraceful exhibition.

But look at the comments underneath, a bunch of haters are chortling and mud-slinging. This is not any kind of debate with the Hancockians, but a hatefest.

The place where the sun don't shine?

 The  ' Archaeology and Art ( @archaeologyart Jul 11) social media account has just published these "looks like" interpretations of some peytroglyphs: ·

Various ancient petroglyphs depicting the Sun Cross or Solar Wheel motif, found across different cultures* and geographical regions, dating from prehistoric periods to antiquity.



Examples of these symbols appear across multiple archaeological contexts, including locations such as Siberia, Italy, Ethiopia, the Indus Valley, Tibet, and North America.

Why are these a "sun" - which looks nothing like any of them - rather than being perfectly obvious anal symbols? They occur over such a wide spatial (and presumably chronological) spread because most people's rectal orifices look more or less the same. Some show an internal sphincter, others the external aspect.

Sunday, 6 July 2025

Assyrian Space-Traveller's Star Map? And Archaeologists Doing Education


Boundless gullibility
Black Hole @konstructivizm* wrote Jul 5
The 5,500-year-old Sumerian "Planifer" It depicts a star map for travelers. This is the kind of map the ancient supposedly "primitive" peoples had.
Why would "ancient space travellers" inscribe the map on clay and in cuneiform?
David Miano @DrDavidMiano 3:03 AM · Jul 6, 2025: "I think you mean Assyrian. And you’re more than 2,000 years off":
youtube.com World of Antiquity ( @WorldofAntiquity) Oct 20, 2024
An Ancient Assyrian STAR MAP

A detailed look at the Nineveh Planisphere, a strange object containing a map of the sky with cuneiform writing. Does it record the impact of a comet, as some scientists have claimed?
This has received 50,296 views but seems invisible to people like Black Hole @konstructivizm ("Only New Content, news, articles, images, videos, and discussion #space,#FollowMe, #Nature, #astronomy, #Nasa, #astrophotography, #science 40.7K Following 748.8K Followers").